Tuesday, November 18, 2014

Discussion Brawl - Whitman's poetry

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  1. The theme of this poem is that war has great effect over people's minds and hearts. War is having to witness the bloodshed and loss of a family member, friend, and destruction of someone's home country. Loss of a war is even more of an effect. The author of this poem was a nurse during the war, helping those in need and seeing things that scarred him. He had to go through seeing injuries and death, explosions and gunfire, aircraft and tanks. Even though he is safe and the war is over, he is traumatized and sees images of the war, while he is supposed to be asleep with his wife and child. War has affected him so badly, as well as others, that he can no longer be peaceful. The war is fresh in his mind.

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  2. I feel as those the historical context of the poem affects the way the poem was written because if the poem were have to be written today, it wouldn't have as much imagery. For example he wrote "suffocating smoke" this smoke could have came from the gun that was shot. Today, guns used in war do not give off smoke which would change the way the poem was written

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    1. I agree with Zorlynn. Certain historical events that happened back then give the poem a certain uniqueness that you wouldn't find in today's poem. For example,as Zorlynn mentioned, guns aren't made from gunpowder anymore as they were back then, so you wouldn't hear a writer say "suffocating smoke" now. Another example is when Walt Whitman said he saw the "gaps cut by the enemys volley". Back in the early 19th century the war plan was set out differently. The soldiers were positioned in a straight lines and would fire. So Walt was saying he literally a huge section of the line being cut because dead man were falling. Again this adds to the originality of the poem. It also allows for more visual imagery since he uses descriptive words that are easy to picture in your mind.

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  3. 2A
    Whitmans word choice in "The Artilleryman's Vision" described the war's effect on the speakers as if he lives a nightmare every single night. Even though the war is over and hes laying in bed with his wife he still gets the vision of war. "shells exploding,leaving small white couds- I hear the great shells shrieking as they pass;" hes still able to hear a single shell explode as it goes past him. "The crashing and smoking--the pride of the men in their pieces; The chief gunner ranges and sights his piece, and selects a fuse of
    the right time; After firing, I see him lean aside, and look eagerly off to note the effect;" he still sees all the his men body parts scattered around and the chief gunner getting excited to see the effect of him shooting someone. "I breathe the suffocating smoke--then the flat clouds hover low, concealing all;" he still feel his lungs filling up with smoke as he gasps for air. "(The falling, dying, I heed not--the wounded, dripping and red, I heed
    not--some to the rear are hobbling;)" he still sees men dying, blood splattered everywhere, and some wounded men trying to get away. Through these words I felt as if this man got mentally scared by the horrific things he encountered in the war

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  4. 2b
    From his words in the poem he shows signs of Post traumatic stress disorder. Which is caused by a traumatic experience this being the war. Symptoms of ptsd being nightmares or flashbacks. Which he exemplifies in the poem say things like i hear the missiles i see the shells exploding and from this i would assume he fears war. But he states "the falling, dying, I heed not--the wounded, dripping and red, I heed not--some to the rear are hobbling;)". To heed something means to pay attention so perhaps his fear is not based on the injuries of fellow soldiers. He also states "and ever the sound of the cannon, far or near, (rousing, even in dreams, a devilish exultation, and all the old mad joy, in the depths of my soul;)." With this sentence I question if he really fears war perhaps his experiences instead stimulate him. Perhaps he has mixed emotions about the war but fear was not directly stated in the poem. Instead he describes it as an old mad joy in the depths of his soul.

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  5. Lela: I was in the yellow group we were asked about how he phrased the poem and how it affected the story in a nut shell.
    -As he describes the events he seems very calm as if everything that was going on was normal “I see the shells exploding, leaving small white clouds--I hear the great
    shells shrieking as they pass” how he phrases like he is saying he woke up this morning and took a shower like nothing is wrong with what is happening around him

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  6. 2b (red group)

    Q. What was the theme of the poem?
    A. The theme is that impacting experiences cannot be easily forgotten. Also, throughout the poem, he uses imagery and onomatopoeia and the author is explaining his vision very vividly by using descriptive words. The war has impacted him so much that he can't forget it easily.

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  7. 2A
    Artilleryman's Vision tells us that such a traumatic event, such as war, will stay in one's mind forever. In the poem, it states that the "wars are over long" but the artilleryman still feels like he is in the war, even though he is safe at home with his family. The speaker still remembers the war vividly, recalling "the short t-h-t! t-h-t! of the rifle-balls" and that he can "see the shells exploding leaving small white clouds." He even remembers breathing "the suffocating smoke." Because of the things he saw and heard, like people dying and the fighting, he'll forever be traumatized with these events, even if so much time has passed on by.

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